From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; dkim=pass header.d=pi.pe header.i=@pi.pe header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=default header.b=IMAeifai; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=pass (Used From Domain Record) header.from=pi.pe policy.dmarc=reject Received: from smtp006.apm-internet.net (smtp006.apm-internet.net [85.119.248.207]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5870134F0A3 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2026 18:28:12 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=pi.pe; h=from:message-id :content-type:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; s=default; bh=aL0Ajq2FF7msVd17UzgMpRTAkWGygtYbBgHxp MsDGVQ=; b=IMAeifaiut4FjGi4awswUamxYm6sOLaeaTyD+u4b98x38LAtyDplT G8w5odP7STYQXbqFkPISSPFM/EqUwq7ZMjCt5ZZJ0Ow+ZAv2y6OCE3WloaD/5P7g nvzsu8UNCrYDcVPpTH2dCHQzrxGIAOtyzN5NjmSljvhhxC2VlkAeT8= Received: (qmail 22658 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2026 16:25:20 -0000 X-APM-Out-ID: 17842191202265 X-APM-Authkey: 255286/0(253943/0) 477 Received: from unknown (HELO zimbra003.verygoodemail.com) (85.119.248.218) by smtp006.apm-internet.net with SMTP; 16 Jul 2026 16:25:20 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra003.verygoodemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29666806C7; Thu, 16 Jul 2026 17:28:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from zimbra003.verygoodemail.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra003.verygoodemail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10026) with ESMTP id V0iZQKOQTFbz; Thu, 16 Jul 2026 17:28:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [192.67.4.140]) by zimbra003.verygoodemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 14F45806C4; Thu, 16 Jul 2026 17:28:11 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Panton Message-Id: <5D584249-1591-4C61-BD81-A0D0C813B2CA@pi.pe> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4F3090CE-06E3-4839-BCE9-CAE42408CF06" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81.1.4\)) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2026 17:28:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: <178421157027.11844.1561047946959583330@DESKTOP-2ICVOQN> Cc: galene@lists.galene.org To: =?utf-8?Q?Valent_Turkovi=C4=87?= References: <178421157027.11844.1561047946959583330@DESKTOP-2ICVOQN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81.1.4) Message-ID-Hash: CYJRKVHGWC47DXXZNFAL5GKUBUFWJP4K X-Message-ID-Hash: CYJRKVHGWC47DXXZNFAL5GKUBUFWJP4K X-MailFrom: tim@pi.pe X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Galene] =?utf-8?q?Re=3A_Gal=C3=A8ne_for_bigger_meeting_=2810-15_people=29_-_problems_and_UX_questions?= List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Gal=C3=A8ne_videoconferencing_server_discussion_list?= Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --Apple-Mail=_4F3090CE-06E3-4839-BCE9-CAE42408CF06 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 With 10 or 15 people you are going to need pretty good connectivity to = the server for it to work. A minimum of 100Mbit/s uplink.=20 Did you have that ? I use the bare metal install for a 6-8 person group on a self hosted old = server with a 100mbit uplink and it works ok, but I have also decreased = the default video quality to low. (Which is enough for a big group unless you are screen sharing). Our experience in the past is that Gal=C3=A8ne does not really like = being on an asymmetric connection with more downlink than uplink = bitrate, somehow the bandwidth estimation gets confused.=20 Tim. > On 16 Jul 2026, at 15:19, Valent Turkovi=C4=87 = wrote: >=20 > Hello everyone, >=20 > I am testing Gal=C3=A8ne on my own server with the Docker image. The = install works fine, technically Gal=C3=A8ne works without problem. >=20 > I tested it quite wide - with my two phones, laptop on Linux and = desktop on Windows, also iPhone and iPad. Browsers: Firefox on Linux, = Brave on Windows. So really many different platforms and browsers. >=20 > First I tested with some colleagues who are more technical, and it = went ok. Maybe one person had audio problem, but that was some strange = Android in a bus, so maybe it was the internet. >=20 > But yesterday I had one big fail for a meeting of around 10-15 people. = I gave them the link to my test server. First thing, when they came to = the login window, they were confused because there is username AND = password field, even it is a test room that does not need password. This = confused them right away. So I commented out the password field in the = UI, to have only login field, and this helped. >=20 > But still many of them had technical problems - for some the audio did = not work, some had glitches. Here is some direct feedback from the = people (it is honest, maybe sometimes it hurts, but it is the truth): > - Mirek: "We needed a 'raise hand' button and didn't find one, = otherwise everything worked afaik" > - DJ Stern: "I didn't hear or see anyone" and "it was visually = glitching out between the text chat and attendees view" > - Patrik: "oyea when dj joined chat window was popping up and closing = kinda" > - Daya: "I tried all three options numerous times as kept getting = kicked out but it seemed to randomly work on all three at times" >=20 > In the end the people gave up on Gal=C3=A8ne and we switched to Google = Meet - even it was me who is pushing that we use Gal=C3=A8ne, so for me = this is not nice. >=20 > My feeling is there is quite a lot of UI/UX problems here. For = example, by default it asks "what you want - microphone, or microphone + = camera". My guess is that many people who had problems did not = understand what this means, and they left it on default "none", and that = is why their audio did not work. >=20 > Because of this I would even suggest that by default this question is = not asked - hide it under some "advanced" button, or put it somewhere = after login. I don't really understand why someone would log in to a = room as chat only. Let the camera and microphone be off by default, but = the browser must have the permissions, because otherwise for a big = number of people Gal=C3=A8ne is useless - it will make problems and they = simply will not use it. >=20 > So my question: who used Gal=C3=A8ne in such situation, with 10-15 = people, and what problems did you have? Because clearly there are still = some bugs that are not solved. >=20 > Thanks, > Valent >=20 > Best regards, >=20 >=20 > Valent Turkovi=C4=87 > CEO > valent@meshpointone.com > www.meshpointone.com = ____________________________________________= ___ > Galene mailing list -- galene@lists.galene.org > To unsubscribe send an email to galene-leave@lists.galene.org --Apple-Mail=_4F3090CE-06E3-4839-BCE9-CAE42408CF06 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 With 10 or 15 = people you are going to need pretty good connectivity to the server for = it to work. A minimum of 100Mbit/s uplink. 

Did = you have that ?

I use the bare metal install = for a 6-8 person group on a self hosted old server with a 100mbit uplink = and it works ok, but I have also decreased the default video quality to = low.
(Which is enough for a big group unless you are screen = sharing).

Our experience in the past is that = Gal=C3=A8ne does not really like being on an asymmetric connection with = more downlink than uplink bitrate, somehow the bandwidth estimation gets = confused. 

Tim.

On 16 Jul 2026, at 15:19, Valent Turkovi=C4=87 = <valent@meshpointone.com> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I am testing Gal=C3=A8ne on my own server with the Docker image. The = install works fine, technically Gal=C3=A8ne works without problem.

I tested it quite wide - with my two phones, laptop on Linux and desktop = on Windows, also iPhone and iPad. Browsers: Firefox on Linux, Brave on = Windows. So really many different platforms and browsers.

First I tested with some colleagues who are more technical, and it went = ok. Maybe one person had audio problem, but that was some strange = Android in a bus, so maybe it was the internet.

But yesterday I had one big fail for a meeting of around 10-15 people. I = gave them the link to my test server. First thing, when they came to the = login window, they were confused because there is username AND password = field, even it is a test room that does not need password. This confused = them right away. So I commented out the password field in the UI, to = have only login field, and this helped.

But still many of them had technical problems - for some the audio did = not work, some had glitches. Here is some direct feedback from the = people (it is honest, maybe sometimes it hurts, but it is the = truth):
- Mirek: "We needed a 'raise hand' button and didn't find one, otherwise = everything worked afaik"
- DJ Stern: "I didn't hear or see anyone" and "it was visually glitching = out between the text chat and attendees view"
- Patrik: "oyea when dj joined chat window was popping up and closing = kinda"
- Daya: "I tried all three options numerous times as kept getting kicked = out but it seemed to randomly work on all three at times"

In the end the people gave up on Gal=C3=A8ne and we switched to Google = Meet - even it was me who is pushing that we use Gal=C3=A8ne, so for me = this is not nice.

My feeling is there is quite a lot of UI/UX problems here. For example, = by default it asks "what you want - microphone, or microphone + camera". = My guess is that many people who had problems did not understand what = this means, and they left it on default "none", and that is why their = audio did not work.

Because of this I would even suggest that by default this question is = not asked - hide it under some "advanced" button, or put it somewhere = after login. I don't really understand why someone would log in to a = room as chat only. Let the camera and microphone be off by default, but = the browser must have the permissions, because otherwise for a big = number of people Gal=C3=A8ne is useless - it will make problems and they = simply will not use it.

So my question: who used Gal=C3=A8ne in such situation, with 10-15 = people, and what problems did you have? Because clearly there are still = some bugs that are not solved.

Thanks,
Valent

Best regards,

3D"MeshPoint
Valent = Turkovi=C4=87
CEO
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