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From: Juliusz Chroboczek <>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <>
Cc: Guillaume Denis <>,
Subject: [Galene] Re: about packet pacers
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2021 01:01:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <>

>> Toke, would you have some input regarding this:
>> - do you think that in this use case monitoring a pacer with the target
>> bitrate would have real added value?

> Hmm, so the idea here would be that we know the bitrate of the stream
> from the codec setting, and from that we can compute the packet-level
> bitrate (by adding the packet overhead) and pace out the packets at that
> rate? [...]
> One question is whether the codec can be relied upon to stay within a
> certain bitrate and over what timescales?

No, but we know where the current frame ends, and we know when the next
frame is due.  So we can spread the current frame smoothly over the
interval between the current frame and the next one.  That will break when
we get variable frame-rate codecs, but we'll cross that bridge when we get

This is not what the GCC draft recommends[1]: what they suggest is to
consider the target bitrate (the one that the congestion controller yields)
and send a burst of up to 5ms*rate every 5ms.


> On Linux you can use the SO_TXTIME socket option to get the kernel to
> pace the packets for you; but that only works if there's a qdisc
> installed that can handle the pacing (such as sch_fq), and it's hardly
> cross-platform, so dunno if that will work?

I'd rather we did the pacing in the application, since that will allow us
to drop packets more selectively: if we drop a packet due to congestion
control, then we want to continue dropping until the end of the frame.
What's more, both the VP8 and VP9 codecs can be configured in a mode where
they regularly schedule a "droppable" frame that is not used for
intra-prediction (it's part of the simulcast implementation).

-- Juliusz

  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-06 23:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-06 12:11 [Galene] " Guillaume Denis
2021-08-06 13:42 ` [Galene] " Juliusz Chroboczek
2021-08-06 20:34 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-08-06 23:01   ` Juliusz Chroboczek [this message]
2021-08-10  8:10     ` Guillaume Denis
2021-08-18 18:43       ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2021-08-18 21:32         ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2021-08-19  9:25           ` Guillaume Denis
2021-08-19 11:10             ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2021-09-28 20:51     ` Dave Taht

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