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From: Juliusz Chroboczek <>
To: Dave Taht <>
Subject: [Galene] Re: SVC support
Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 18:26:43 +0200	[thread overview]
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>> SVC is a technique where a single video stream is "layered": frames are
>> labelled with information about whether they can be dropped, and the
>> server can reduce the bitrate sent to a client.  The advantage of SVC over
>> simulcast is that switching layers is a much more lightweight operation:
>> switching simulcast streams requires a keyframe, while switching scalable
>> layers can happen a few times per packet.

> This is a really, really promising sounding technique!

Yes, I find it exciting too.  You can essentially switch layers every
100ms or so, with no disturbing artifacts, so you can react to
fine-grained congestion control feedback.

You'll be glad to know that SVC is tightly integrated in AV1.

> Currently. As both these are open source they can certainly be
> improved. I haven't hacked on firefox in quite some time... I can reach
> out to some contacts in the mozilla organization and/or is there a good
> mailing list to join?

The current situation is a mess:

 - both Chromium and Firefox tie together simulcast and SVC for VP8;
 - Chromium does weird things when attempting simulcast VP9;
 - Debian's Chromium crashes when attempting simulcast VP9;
 - Firefox uses a non-standard protocol for simulcast.

For now, I'm just disabling simulcast/SVC when the sender is Firefox.
Jitsi appear to implement Firefox's protocol for simulcast, we should
probably do the same in Pion.

>> unfortunately, I wasn't able to test the VP9 support, since my version
>> of Chromium immediately crashes when you request a VP9 simulcast
>> stream.

I've found a version of Brave that doesn't crash.  However, it doesn't
seem to actually send either simulcast or a scalable stream.

So it's going to be VP8-only for now.

>> Spacial scalability (reducing the resolution) should be doable for VP9,
>> but the point is somewhat moot until Chromium fix their bug.
> Have you reported it?

I've reported it with Debian, since Brave is based on the same version of
Chromium and doesn't crash.  I've talked to Lorenzo Miniero (the Janus
guy), and he hasn't seen that bug.

The crash is immediately reproducible here:

With my version of Chromium, clicking "Start" leads to an immediate crash.

-- Juliusz

  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-12 16:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-12 15:19 [Galene] " Juliusz Chroboczek
2021-05-12 15:41 ` [Galene] " Dave Taht
2021-05-12 16:26   ` Juliusz Chroboczek [this message]
2021-05-12 16:35     ` Juliusz Chroboczek

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