From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass (mailfrom) smtp.mailfrom=irif.fr (client-ip=2001:660:3301:8000::1:2; helo=korolev.univ-paris7.fr; envelope-from=jch@irif.fr; receiver=) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AAB97CDE1F; Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:49:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id 10JCn0vU010423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:49:00 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/82085) with ESMTP id 10JCn02P010424; Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:49:00 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B4C1091BD; Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:49:00 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id 5Zl3MBoMH5HO; Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:48:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D57041091BB; Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:48:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:48:58 +0100 Message-ID: <87turdnlc5.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Toke =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=F8iland-J=F8rgensen?= In-Reply-To: <87wnw9p1m4.fsf@toke.dk> References: <87sg6yx7gy.wl-jch@irif.fr> <87zh16q61v.fsf@toke.dk> <87pn21yl6t.wl-jch@irif.fr> <87wnw9rjw7.fsf@toke.dk> <87mtx5yk96.wl-jch@irif.fr> <87o8hlridf.fsf@toke.dk> <87eeihyipm.wl-jch@irif.fr> <87lfcprgl4.fsf@toke.dk> <877do9ydvi.wl-jch@irif.fr> <875z3tqhbu.fsf@toke.dk> <87zh15nnxh.wl-jch@irif.fr> <87wnw9p1m4.fsf@toke.dk> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/27.1 Mule/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:49:00 +0100 (CET) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:49:00 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 6006D53C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-Miltered: at potemkin with ID 6006D53C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 6006D53C.005 from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr/potemkin.univ-paris7.fr/null/potemkin.univ-paris7.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 6006D53C.001 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 6006D53C.005 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 6006D53C.001 on potemkin.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: ATBJI3BH4XBRSMG6M4423Q7VHDMEV6PQ X-Message-ID-Hash: ATBJI3BH4XBRSMG6M4423Q7VHDMEV6PQ X-MailFrom: jch@irif.fr X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; suspicious-header CC: galene@lists.galene.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.2 Precedence: list Subject: [Galene] Re: Heads-up: built-in TURN server List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Gal=C3=A8ne_videoconferencing_server_discussion_list?= Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: >> Except that now I'm trying to update the README, and I'm finding the >> behaviour impossible to explain concisely. I need to think. > How about: I think the problem is that the default value is not materialised =E2=80=94= the magic depends on whether the option was explicitly specified, the default value does not correspond to any possible value of the command-line optio= n. I think the solution lies in making an explicit default value. I'm thinking of "-turn auto" being the default, and behaving as we do currently if the option was not specified. This is easier to explain, gives a clearer mental image to the user, and has the added advantage of being extensible -- people can hardly complain if the "auto" behaviour changes between versions. (I'm must resist the temptation of calling the value "magic".) -- Juliusz