From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=; dkim=pass header.d=garage44.org; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=pass (Used From Domain Record) header.from=garage44.org policy.dmarc=quarantine Received: from mail-10625.protonmail.ch (mail-10625.protonmail.ch [79.135.106.25]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD3A18E0AB3 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2025 20:54:45 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=garage44.org; s=protonmail; t=1762199683; x=1762458883; bh=2moSD8XGAuDAPu2n/sF9/GjdXTo7fOwlY1UjoGZxe04=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=RWd/hjeJp6+dcIu3hsXgf1SRSyZcAXalHPJve6JKeZMHM3H5T025j9cL3YcwtyV8i Syo2vuUR+T7lL6Jh37T+a+tADjE4HxCHXYFBxFDftZr88t2CqCw1oX7LnzFRd/+iYj 3gB1lkK9Zo9k600Wbyf8Zcd4TUTzG5mhXiA8ZdHiw633gh0C717mAOktTdlXePT3N5 zT2vRHEGL8MfDkYTdXCERf0uy1C+/iHFEKo0RaQakq8rRGRY4F/Op99ytHiJSJKmbh jS/2cirG6Yu0RkuLtxstfBY/yoO6bsf9Ze+Lh6WnXTAhoAIx/uJBzZuCdCAYeBkSmc 0Ak8OXSu0bp9g== Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2025 19:54:37 +0000 To: Juliusz Chroboczek From: Jeroen Cc: "galene@lists.galene.org" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87tszbpcog.wl-jch@irif.fr> References: <176203615432.1342.6109094997293548870@gauss> <87wm48db0u.wl-jch@irif.fr> <87tszbpcog.wl-jch@irif.fr> Feedback-ID: 164444899:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: cc84f567197f046124f3edb77aeab5aad299b01c MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: QTTKBUN3EDKCGKSXBYWNUJNGBWRFZ727 X-Message-ID-Hash: QTTKBUN3EDKCGKSXBYWNUJNGBWRFZ727 X-MailFrom: jeroen@garage44.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Galene] Re: Pyrite update List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Gal=C3=A8ne_videoconferencing_server_discussion_list?= Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Op maandag 3 november 2025 om 12:40 PM schreef Juliusz Chroboczek : >=20 >=20 > >> Hmm... will it still be usable for casual videoconferences? >=20 > > With casual, do you mean that it should be possible to join a video > > conference without registering/using an account? >=20 >=20 > Suppose we need to discuss something on Galene. I generate a token in an > autogenerated subgroup, send it to you over SMS or e-mail, and we're > chatting. Alright; I hadn't thought this through yet :) I suppose each channel/group could have an invite option to start with? Gro= ups that are locked=20 or for some other reason not accessible due to permissions, won't show the = option off-course.=20 Now this still depends on an admin managed channel layout, which is not ver= y flexible. >=20 > Suppose we need to discuss something on Zulip. I need to setup a group, > then I need to ask you to create an account, which fails because I set th= e > wrong permissions on the group, at which point we call it a day and go > drinking with our respective friends. But, users also will have their own private channel (Direct messages) in th= is setup. It may be an idea to=20 create a matching dedicated Galene group/subgroup (e.g. users/) for e= ach private channel,=20 so if a user wants to have a quick video conference/chat, they then can use= the invite option=20 on that dedicated channel. In this setup, a user doesn't have to think abou= t channel creation=20 anymore, because channel-less conferences exists at a fixed place (in a cha= nnel :)). The same can=20 probably be accomplished with a separate "Start conference" button, but the= n where should the info=20 about this volatile channel be shown?=20 After a conference session, the chat will still be there for historical pur= poses. I'm not really sure if=20 the latter is desired behavior. It may be nice to have some form of groupin= g of chat messages per conference=20 and actions to optionally remove those from history (at least in a private = channel)? Might also be a good=20 place for the download of conference summaries. I'm not really sure yet how that would work, as switching video on and off = shouldn't cause too much=20 noise and activity in the chat. Maybe when a conference lasts longer than a= certain amount of time,=20 with at least 2 participants, that it should leave some conference stats or= that the conference stats=20 are not part of the chat at all, but separate info in the context panel.=20 >=20 > The obvious conclusion is that Zulip causes alcoholism. It is at least a good excuse for a drink at the pub :)