From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from srv1.stroeder.com (srv1.stroeder.com [213.240.180.113]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BD8E7DD49D for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 19:14:20 +0100 (CET) Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=stroeder.com header.i=@stroeder.com header.b=Gj33nrV2 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=stroeder.com; s=stroeder-com-20201114; t=1612548858; bh=RagiID8X/MMZ18yIo6H8AntPONYeLg3eQSI9azke0Rg=; h=References:To:From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Gj33nrV2cHtQvkCAFvbxv28nTzhcR6uoDvdpBrEB8YemhhJk/SFNSM1gRtOvtKUyj JWpJazrnEz7mDvjWlHdmo85P/Y47CNzlSNH/bkEQLp0Ln4C0LDUPI87B0uYJDrLyg/ bPn9/w9dRPBxmmD2CnB/bypu7twesj8+t2SNZ0WoatGj08wPvYe5w8Uq8D6S+hk/9W JpMbpQqh+rOZL/JGWQXFXCRYw8gmkkYY3slLqYxLY8RWR+fpfw/OcgPTPgW References: <161254855522.17324.13801347976864604215@ietfa.amsl.com> To: galene@lists.galene.org From: =?UTF-8?Q?Michael_Str=c3=b6der?= X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <161254855522.17324.13801347976864604215@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 19:14:16 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <161254855522.17324.13801347976864604215@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID-Hash: LL4RV63STAYVNUX5CRSKOI6LH5XL5XQD X-Message-ID-Hash: LL4RV63STAYVNUX5CRSKOI6LH5XL5XQD X-MailFrom: michael@stroeder.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.2 Precedence: list Subject: [Galene] Fwd: WG Action: Formed WebRTC Ingest Signaling over HTTPS (wish) List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Gal=C3=A8ne_videoconferencing_server_discussion_list?= Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: FYI although it's not about video conferencing. Maybe some inspiring discussions will happen there. Ciao, Michael. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: WG Action: Formed WebRTC Ingest Signaling over HTTPS (wish) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 10:09:15 -0800 From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: wish-chairs@ietf.org, The IESG , wish@ietf.org A new IETF WG has been formed in the Applications and Real-Time Area. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. WebRTC Ingest Signaling over HTTPS (wish) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Current status: Proposed WG Chairs: Alex Gouaillard Sean Turner Assigned Area Director: Murray Kucherawy Applications and Real-Time Area Directors: Barry Leiba Murray Kucherawy Mailing list: Address: wish@ietf.org To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wish Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/wish/ Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/wish/ Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-wish/ The WISH working group is chartered to specify a simple, extensible, HTTPS-based signaling protocol to establish one-way WebRTC-based audiovisual sessions between broadcasting tools and real-time media broadcast networks. Background: WebRTC defines a set of wire protocols for real-time media transmission, as well as a profile of the Session Description Protocol (SDP) for setting up and controlling the associated media streams. Because of its typical use cases, and to increase overall flexibility, WebRTC did not specify a wire protocol for exchanging SDP messages, leaving the creation of such protocols up to the applications that use WebRTC. This works well when WebRTC clients are vertically integrated with the servers they communicate with, as it allows for rapid iteration of new features. At the same time, the use of WebRTC as a mechanism for large-scale media broadcast is gaining popularity, with companies such as Millicast, Caffeine, Janus/Meetecho, Evercast, Wowza, Liveswitch, Antmedia, and Strivecast deploying WebRTC-based media distribution networks. Unlike more vertically integrated uses of WebRTC, these networks would benefit immensely from being able to re-use the several broadcasting tools that have been developed over time (such as Wirecast, OBS, Stretchcast, NewBlue Stream, XSplit, FFSplit, Lightstream, vMix, and a host of other applications). To date, these media distribution networks have employed their own proprietary signaling protocols to establish the connection between broadcasting tools and the network, generally requiring either bespoke software or customized modifications to existing broadcasting tools. With the large number of available tools and the growing number of real-time media distribution networks, this ad-hoc approach to creating custom protocols for establishing sessions clearly does not scale. The real-time broadcasting ecosystem would benefit immensely from a single, shared protocol to meet this goal. Deliverables: The product of this working group will be a specification for a simple, extensible, HTTPS-based signaling protocol to establish one-way WebRTC-based audiovisual sessions between broadcasting tools and real-time media broadcast networks. This working group will use existing HTTPS, WebRTC, and SDP mechanisms to the extent possible. While no extensions to those core protocols is expected, the working group may consider such extensions if they are necessary to meet the requirements of broadcasting tools and networks. Any such work will be coordinated with the HTTPBIS, MMUSIC, and/or MOPS working groups, as appropriate. Additionally, this working group will coordinate with HTTPBIS and HTTPAPI to assure that the HTTP protocol is being used according to current best practice. While there may be other problems that the proposed mechanism may solve or nearly solve, such as video display clients connecting to the egress of a media delivery network, adding explicit protocol support for those use cases is not in scope for the WISH working group. Milestones: Dec 2021 - Submit web ingest signaling protocol to IESG for publication _______________________________________________ IETF-Announce mailing list IETF-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce